Curse

upier · Apr 16, 2008, 10:38 AM // 10:38

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Originally Posted by Alex the Great

anet dosen't care if you are stupid and get scammed in runs/ selling ghall/ buying runescape.
your friend is a retard, and HE deserves to get punished for breaking th EULA

Nah - it's not the players job to punish other players'.
A.Net (or is it NCSoft?) should be taking appropriate actions - not the players.
So the dude didn't deserve to get scammed. Because this would make the actions of the scammer acceptable.

maraxusofk · Apr 16, 2008, 10:40 AM // 10:40

lol at ruenscape. if ur friend is so sad at losing his rs account thers a simple solution. its called botting. free games are meant to be botted, just like maplestory.
ur friend aint gonna get anything b/c he broke eula in trying to trade accounts.
i sympathize wit u because i have been scammed many times in the past but sorry to say nothing will be done.

cebalrai · Apr 16, 2008, 10:45 AM // 10:45

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Originally Posted by ectos taste nasty

About a week ago, my friend was telling me how he got runescape scammed. Now he took screenshots,and ANet didn't even do anything.

Do they not care? Is it his fault? Should the people be smarter?

Just wondering,not trying to start a ****storm.

Your friend broke Anet's rules so why would Anet protect him?

Fril Estelin · Apr 16, 2008, 11:22 AM // 11:22

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Originally Posted by maraxusofk

free games are meant to be botted, just like maplestory.

Dumbest sentence of the month! (well at least you won something

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Rinadan Farhunt · Apr 16, 2008, 11:41 AM // 11:41

^^ Thats what I was thinking. This forum always seems to attract stupid posts...

But reporting someone for scamming you in a trade that breaches the EULA?

Now thats priceless.

Ctb · Apr 16, 2008, 12:22 PM // 12:22

I would hope they would just ignore, or perhaps laugh at, something like this, frankly.

Trade window: use for trades. If it can't go in the trade window, it's probably not meant to be traded, so don't trade it. If you try to trade it anyway, don't waste ANET's time whining that something you tried to do outside of the game mechanics didn't work according to the game mechanics.

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The interwebs always seems to attract stupid people...

FTFY

As an IT employee, I used to worry that younger generations were going to grow up so used to computers that everything would be done for them and they'd move on to learning much more complicated things that I would be too old and grouchy to keep up with.

Frankly, as time passes and I see the sorts of people the younger generations are producing, the less worried I am that any job more complicated than grocery bagging is going to be very competitive.... I think the Internet is helping to cause that, too.

Give it a few more years and I expect people to be impressed when I hit the "Power" button to turn on their computer because it turned off instead of going into sleep mode....

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It's ultimately a matter of education, and you don't educate people by saying "you deserved it" (would you accept such a judgement if you got hacked?)

If I got "hacked" I'd blame the software maker that the exploit was in. If you're talking about my password, I'm not really concerned because it's not a real word and it's highly improbable a password cracker will ever figure it out.

Furthermore, other people failing to read the instructions on how to trade is not my problem. RTFM, as it were. Also, use some common sense. And if you don't have any common sense.... well... develop a healthy dose of paranoia instead by suffering exploitation of this sort a few times.

I guess the point is.... sometimes learning hurts a little.

Rainbow Ftw · Apr 16, 2008, 12:25 PM // 12:25

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

These comments are not helpful, even if they contain a part of truth. It's judgemental, a way to say "I wouldn't have fallen into this trap, so please be like me and I'm happy that he got scammed". It's ultimately a matter of education, and you don't educate people by saying "you deserved it" (would you accept such a judgement if you got hacked?)

I wouldn't get "hacked" and if I did I'd get over it, GW is fail. oh btw morgoth yh I do HB the meta is terribad atm though I only go on to do tourneys I can Buildwars good =].

Fril Estelin · Apr 16, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by Ctb

If I got "hacked" I'd blame the software maker that the exploit was in.

You know as much as I do that you could then end up with support telling you "you didn't apply patch 203.3.12-2?". Or may be they'll tell you "you shouldn't have run this 3rd party app, we clearly say that it's bad for our soft".

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Furthermore, other people failing to read the instructions on how to trade is not my problem. RTFM, as it were.

You're programming, so you may know how badly documentations are written, and how often they're not written at all. GW is a good example of that.

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Also, use some common sense. And if you don't have any common sense.... well... develop a healthy dose of paranoia instead by suffering exploitation of this sort a few times.

Well, my students wouldn't like that kind of teaching. And I'd be fired fairly quickly.

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I guess the point is.... sometimes learning hurts a little.

Totally true.

Kusandaa · Apr 16, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by ectos taste nasty

Lol,yeah.. he tried trading GW gold for a runescape account. Sorry I didn't clear that up

That's just asking to get scammed and OF COURSE Anet won't do anything about it: it's breaking their EULA.

IMHO serves people right for buying RS accounts with GW gold... >_>...

kobey · Apr 16, 2008, 02:26 PM // 14:26

If it is a new scam, posting here on riverside will help to let people aware of it and people will take precautions against future similar attempts. You will actually get some sympathy.

But if it is an old, overused and stupid scam, which have been reported over and over again, posting here will get few things:

1) LOL
2) Flames
3) more LOLs
4) scoldings
5) and somemore LOLs

I think you get the picture.

Ctb · Apr 16, 2008, 02:28 PM // 14:28

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You know as much as I do that you could then end up with support telling you "you didn't apply patch 203.3.12-2?"

All of the software I have that would be relevant to Guild Wars is up-to-date. Auto-updating modern software ftw!

Also, I don't get the point about the "third party app". I don't run any third party apps. And if you mean a non-GW-related pieces of software, I'd just blame whoever made the exploited software. I mean, if someone breaks in to my machine and installs a keylogger using some video codec I have installed, I'm not going to blame ANET for the breach, I'm going to blame whoever made the codec.

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Well, my students wouldn't like that kind of teaching. And I'd be fired fairly quickly.

I don't get the point of the statement. Nobody said you should do that, only that screwing things up for yourself a few times is one way to learn what not to do.

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You're programming, so you may know how badly documentations are written, and how often they're not written at all. GW is a good example of that.

I won't take umbrance with your statement about the sorry state of documentation in most software products, but the Guild Wars manual does cover trading, and I believe it also warns against trading without using the trade window.

Tamuril elansar · Apr 16, 2008, 02:35 PM // 14:35

obvious scam, he could see it comming.
and Anet doesn't care about runescape.

Prof Of Black · Apr 16, 2008, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Instead of helping him, they should BAN him. He deserves it. He did something that's against the rules.

~Prof.

Fril Estelin · Apr 16, 2008, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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Originally Posted by Ctb

All of the software I have that would be relevant to Guild Wars is up-to-date. Auto-updating modern software ftw!

I think you completely misunderstood what I was saying: I wasn't talking about you, but the average Joe, because it seems that this guy is not updating his software apparently. I'll stop here with replying to your post. (I'm really getting fed up with either being misunderstood or falling into counter-productive discussions, it may well be me and so I should take a GWG break...)

~ Dan ~ · Apr 16, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

OP: That scam involved runescape. Why should anyone care?

Lord Sojar · Apr 16, 2008, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Depends on the severity of the scam. If say, I held a community event, and at the last second, I posted in the thread that it was all a big scam, and I stole all the generous donations of the community for my own personal gain, I am fairly certain that ANET would perma-ban me.

But if I say, put ice hearts in a destroyer core trade, they probably wouldn't waste too much time trying to get me.

Note, I wouldn't do any of the above. Actually, I don't scam people, period.

Shame on those that do!

t00115577 · Apr 16, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

nah, no real way to monitor.

IMO if you get scammed its just like a life lesson, everyone gets scammed once.... only a complete twat gets scammed a second time

Darkobra · Apr 16, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Tell your friend to keep pressuring support about it. Tell him to emphasise how he was scammed when spending Guild Wars money on a Runescape account. Make sure he provides all his account information and the time it occured.

THEN you'll see them take the action he deserves: a ban for both sides.

Master Knightfall · Apr 16, 2008, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by ectos taste nasty

So ANet doesn't really do anything about it unless it involves with them losing their GW account or selling GW gold? Interesting.

I can't really blame them :P

Pretty much correct. I was scammed for run money from one place to another one time (and that will be the last time I will ever pay upfront ever again I will walk to the place before I pay someone for services they haven't even rendered. You don't pay a cab driver in real life until he gets you to your destination). I reported it, but, to no avail I never got my plat back and the guy/girl just went into do not disturb mode so we couldn't spam him at least.

And what's really sad is there's no place to report the names of these people online so it doesn't happen to others. I'm amazed forums or a special website isn't up like we had for Everquest called "Bad Players of Everquest" and if someone got out of hand you just put their name on that list. Of course people complained that innocent players names were being put up there, but, I always figure where there's smoke there is also fire. If you didn't piss off an entire guild and your name did get posted it usually was ignored if it didn't have a lot of clicks on it. And after so many months if it got no clicks it was removed. So, if you were a bad boy and then behaved you really had nothing to worry about, but, if you were persistant then this board was a great way to blackball players.

jimme · Apr 16, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

^

I think that has to do with the privacy thingy from GW.
However it would be nice to have such a list on the GW website...